Curse

Aloren · May 20, 2005, 05:46 PM // 17:46

it's really easy to see a caster outside the battle shuttind down people outside the battle when you're outside the battle. Everyone makes mistakes, and guess what? No one is perfect. It's elitist attitudes that get parties killed. If more people would focus on geting along and working as a team, they'd stay alive alot longer.
A little respect can go a long way...

Brett Kuntz · May 20, 2005, 05:57 PM // 17:57

Aloren, attacking a target which is getting healed is not a mistake. People don't accidently trip, fall, and land on their spacebar while it just so happens to be selecting a warrior. They ignore my orders to kill casters first, and I just simply quit.

How much more of a team player could I be when I tell my team the exact kill order we're going to follow, call the targets for them, and keep all 4 of us alive. Maybe you haven't played GW yet, but when you do you'll realize 95% of the player base are individual hero's who think they can do everything themselves and don't need to follow orders or play smart.

Willow · May 20, 2005, 06:08 PM // 18:08

If anyone assumes that they have the natural right to give me orders, I won't be playing with them again.

(I'm a Warrior/Necro. Typically, but not always, monks need me more than I need them.)

Great Gjl · May 20, 2005, 07:13 PM // 19:13

I don't think getting pissed off at the general incompetence of players out there is a monk only thing, but I think it's understandable given the patheticly dull, repetitive and mindless lack of challenge that is PvE (this is of course in my opinion). The problem is that PvE is required to PvP, and that PvE doesn't even force you to think tactically or work as a team to get anywhere (and yes, I have completed it, thanks).

Having said that, I don't think ditching people like that is going to make people learn, Kunt0r. It's only going to encourage people to blame each other insteading of taking into account their own shortcomings (not saying this is relevant to you).

At Willow:
I think by being in a team you have an obligation to follow orders, and if you aren't willing to work as a team then what makes you think that others are going to be willing to play with YOU?

kukuman · May 20, 2005, 07:43 PM // 19:43

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Originally Posted by Teufel Eldritch

I'm not sure what you mean but... I recently started playing a Mo/Me & let me tell you Monks get no slack. All day long the spam of "rez me plz kthnx" & "heal me! heal me! heal me! heal me!" & "U suk! U let me die!" get broadcasted in our ears most of the time by ppl that are nothing but a waste of mana. If some monks get a little irritated by this & start cop-ing a attitude with some players(the abusive & stupid ones) I can totally relate. IT IS NOT A GOOD IDEA TO PISS OF YOUR MONK.

I had some guy whine at me and another monk during an infusion run. He was smarter and only whined after I rezzed him. If he whined before I would have just left him. Needless to say he didn't get any heals from me the rest of the way.

Brett Kuntz · May 20, 2005, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by Willow

If anyone assumes that they have the natural right to give me orders, I won't be playing with them again.

(I'm a Warrior/Necro. Typically, but not always, monks need me more than I need them.)

But as a monk we do have the natural right to give you orders, and also the natural right to punish you for lack of following them. What are you going to do to us? You also fail to realize that there are more then two hundred thousand warriors in GW willing to take your place. Can't say the same about Monk's willing to take my place to play with you.

Rasp · May 20, 2005, 09:21 PM // 21:21

After just logging off my PVP Monk in the tombs, I'd have to agree with kunt0r 110%. I played about 10 matches, and 7/10 of those matches, no one would attack me. Just sat back and healed everyone while using Necro -10% Health spells the whole time to regain mana.

Willow · May 20, 2005, 09:32 PM // 21:32

"Follow Orders" entails a hierachy. If I join up with someone, and I know going in that we have a designated leader or target caller that's fine.

I'm no more obligated to follow the "orders" of someone on my team than they are to follow my "orders."

Perishiko ReLLiK · May 20, 2005, 09:35 PM // 21:35

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Originally Posted by Teufel Eldritch

I'm not sure what you mean but... I recently started playing a Mo/Me & let me tell you Monks get no slack. All day long the spam of "rez me plz kthnx" & "heal me! heal me! heal me! heal me!" & "U suk! U let me die!" get broadcasted in our ears most of the time by ppl that are nothing but a waste of mana. If some monks get a little irritated by this & start cop-ing a attitude with some players(the abusive & stupid ones) I can totally relate. IT IS NOT A GOOD IDEA TO PISS OF YOUR MONK.

And my reason for retiring my monk... too many crazies out there running in, and then complaining... i play the game to have fun, so i just decided to stop being my healer... it's more of a job, then enjoying the game.

Willow · May 20, 2005, 09:36 PM // 21:36

The other day I was in a group doing a mission. My computer lags when entering a new zone, typically by 30 seconds to a minute slower than other players. Usually it's not a big deal.

However, on this one situation, half the party was dead before my controls were responsive. Why? Because they charged on ahead without me.

Now if I were to intentionally "punish" a monk by not fighting at a key moment? These things go both ways. I'm here to play this game with people who want to be my friends, not people who want to be my boss.

Darc.Syde · May 20, 2005, 09:39 PM // 21:39

actually, its not a wierd strategy to attack non monks early on. the plan behind this is to have their monk blow off energy while your warriors get their adrenaline going, once its ready, load everything off on the monk, and itl probobly die.

as for the op, i tell people if they get too far, i wont heal them. if they mouth off, i wont rez them, if the entire party gets the same way, i leave. its their stupidity that's wasting time, i cant stand stupid players - i dont have that kind of time.

Kaylynn Of Ascalon · May 20, 2005, 09:55 PM // 21:55

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Originally Posted by kunt0r

But as a monk we do have the natural right to give you orders, and also the natural right to punish you for lack of following them.

you sound like quite the ass hole right there. is that your name in game? if so i'll make sure I never team up with you.

Willow · May 20, 2005, 09:55 PM // 21:55

I would pick Alesia any day of the week over kunt0r (and several others who have posted in this thread.)

Kaylynn Of Ascalon · May 20, 2005, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by Willow

I would pick Alesia any day of the week over kunt0r (and several others who have posted in this thread.)

agreed.

Darc.Syde · May 20, 2005, 10:25 PM // 22:25

i can tell most of the other posters here havent played a monk yet and epxeirenced the woes of being one. if you dont lay down the rules early on, you dont get very far, letting people push you around wont help you nor them. grow some balls and tellem it's your way or you get a henchmen. some people dont mind henchmen, some do, those that do, learn to listen.

Duality · May 20, 2005, 10:41 PM // 22:41

i don't know, i'm in agreement with kuntor about our rights. if i'm in a pug, there are ground rules i'll try to get out to the others, in both PvE and PvP. one of the best pvp pug teams i was on, the other main healer would often show on our map our effective range. the others knew that if they strayed from there, we weren't going after them. i've also done the "i'm leaving if we don't have another monk" thing as well.

also, anyone who doesn't think that a good healer has the "right" to have people listen to them should go have fun with pugs in Elona Reach. it's pretty sad when i party with a group that won't listen and fail, when i can do that mission with henchmen and succeed.

Willow · May 20, 2005, 11:11 PM // 23:11

I have a monk/mesmer secondary character. And when I'm playing her, I don't boss people around. So don't think I'm a hypocrite.

Darc.Syde · May 20, 2005, 11:24 PM // 23:24

well, i dont boss people around either, but i tell them... if they ignore my warnings and continue to run into mobs and make everyone fallow and complain why they didnt get a heal. who's fault is it?

Jana · May 20, 2005, 11:35 PM // 23:35

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Originally Posted by Darc.Syde

well, i dont boss people around either, but i tell them... if they ignore my warnings and continue to run into mobs and make everyone fallow and complain why they didnt get a heal. who's fault is it?

Jana

Brett Kuntz · May 21, 2005, 12:11 AM // 00:11

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Originally Posted by Darc.Syde

actually, its not a wierd strategy to attack non monks early on. the plan behind this is to have their monk blow off energy while your warriors get their adrenaline going, once its ready, load everything off on the monk, and itl probobly die.

But hitting their most armoured target (warrior) isn't how good players carry out that strategy. You hit 60 AL targets so you do more damage so they have to heal more often or use multiple healing effects like breeze/seed/hands/mop ect. You however, don't hit 100AL targets unless you're new to the game or just plain stupid.

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Originally Posted by Kaylynn Of Ascalon

you sound like quite the ass hole right there. is that your name in game? if so i'll make sure I never team up with you.

My ign is K U N T O R, please go out of your way to make sure you're never on the same team as I. It's not like there are hundreds of thousands of players who will take your place on my teams or anything crazy like that!!!

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Originally Posted by Willow

I would pick Alesia any day of the week over kunt0r (and several others who have posted in this thread.)

Good.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willow

I have a monk/mesmer secondary character. And when I'm playing her, I don't boss people around. So don't think I'm a hypocrite.

Neither do I. I tell them once, and if they don't listen, I quit. Telling someone once, nicely I might add, what must happen for success, isn't being bossy. I'm not an asshole, I'm just a regular player who doesn't wish to waste my time failing a mission.